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Poster: fondo213 Date: Mar 25, 2014 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1972 Melodic Jams

First, thanks for all the good listening and writing you do. Really adds to my explorations of "the catalog".

Not sure if this meets the criteria, primarily because it's not at the end of this particular Dark Star.

Sept 10, 1972
On this recording...
....there's a theme that starts at about 7:15. Phil and Billy lead it off, Weir joins in, then Keith and finally Jerry. After 30 seconds or so you hear that the crowd has digested the fact that a corner has been turned and a nice cheer goes up.

Also of note, Jerry does a couple measures of a 16th note run that pops up a few times in September 72. I know I've heard it on September 27th (Dark Star) and a few other places I can't think of right now. In this 9/10 show he toys with it at 5:39, before this theme starts, then plays it again during the theme at 8:16.

And for the heck of it I'll throw out there the fact that I like these Hollywood shows (Sept 9 and 10) as well as any pair from 72. You get the Dark Star night and the Other One night, great birdsongs in both, my favorite sing me back home, good versions of the first set tunes of the era...etc.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Mar 25, 2014 10:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1972 Melodic Jams

Excellent first post.Welcome to the scrum.Those were two good shows in a month where every single show yielded an extraordinary version or versions of either PITB,Bird Song,Other One or Dark Star.

Since LIA offered up the 7/25 Other One where the unique separate jam occurred before the first verse I think your suggestion might merit consideration as it contains to my ear a fully formed jam,but then I suggested the Dark Star from 11/26 which didn't pass muster so my recommendation is precarious at best.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 25, 2014 10:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1972 Melodic Jams

Thanks for the recommendation.
The location of the jam isn't crucial (it's just a general pattern that these unique jams come at the end)...however I have a hard time hearing a distinct theme in the part you pointed out, it initially seems like more of a loose groove.
There are other sections of this Dark Star that seem to my ears closer to being separate jams: the part from about 4:20-5:10, the part from 10:00 to 12:50 (goes through a couple cycles), and perhaps 17:00-18:15. (This Dark Star also ends with an Other One-type jam after 27:55.)
On the other hand, on further listening the part after 10:00 continues the jam that had been building from 7:15. I'm on the fence as to whether this is a truly standalone theme (for one thing, it lacks a defining melody), but it merits consideration.
In any case, it was a rewarding experience listening through this Dark Star a few times. I always liked 9/10 more than 9/9, seems to have an extra spark... Crosby joins in the Dark Star after the verse and contributes to the spacy part, but I don't think he's present before the verse.

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Mar 25, 2014 1:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 1972 Melodic Jams

I would surely add this one to the list!

David Crosby guests on this version and some have said that the little theme that starts up in the 7-minute mark is from his solo album from the previous year (with guest appearances by Garcia, Lesh, Billy, and Mickey). Maybe that's so, I gotta go back and check. Anyway, in this version at around 8:55 or so Phil plays a little riff that clearly signals one of the melodic themes in question. He will continue to touch upon it for nearly the next ten minutes, even soloing off of it. Also, at around 12:30, if I recall correctly, Jerry plays something that is country-flavored and it seemingly transforms into a Dark Star riff but with this country flavor. At around the 17-minute mark, however, is where it seems we get more of a concerted effort to jam on the little riff that Phil has been pitching for the previous 8 minutes.

Off the top of my head, I would say the riff that Phil plays in this one is maybe best cross-referenced with the 8/20/72 version (that one gets going somewhere in the mid 16-minute mark and the link is in LIA's parent post). So, maybe this short-lived little jam was something that Phil brought to the table? Who knows?

Nice find!